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'The Artemis Alliance And Why It's Problematic To Me' (VeeeKoooN, Mar 9 2020, locked by mod Salkasm): GoulartJJ p2 #36 'as the Shadow Fall leader and one of Artemis leaders'; Robturne, Carrie, Ascended Kitten, oinuk, Asthae

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### post #21 — coolname2034 — Mar 9, 2020 at 7:34 AM

Just ignore the larger guilds, do what you want.

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### post #22 — MultiSmith — Mar 9, 2020 at 7:37 AM

I'm one of the Parliamentarians of Caeruleum Order. And before we've opened our diplomacy and started foreign affairs with other guilds we've been attacking just one FFA pretty much all of the time. Only one: Lava Lake. It got us to level 45, which was the optimal level to become a part of a certain alliance in our opinion. I'm just saying this to point out that you just have to work your way up and if you want to succeed, you can show the alliance that your guild is worthy to become a part of it and earn some good reputation in guild politics. It wasn't easy for everyone and just complaining won't fix everything. Good luck with your progress!

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### post #23 — Pikacal — Mar 9, 2020 at 8:19 AM

Nitrogen2Oxygen said:

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*I told myself I wouldn’t, but here I go anyways*

I do like the enthusiasm from smaller guilds *cough* Alpha *cough* and it’s cute to see newer guilds warring and being super confident. However, there are a lot of guilds like you, and I sadly watch them all end with the same fate, they end up disappearing.

Sadly for you, bigger guilds won’t give up their own territories, or allies territories, because that’s what allies do. If you were a country and some kid came up to you and said “It’s not fair that you own all this land, why can’t my country of Picklericklandia have some of it” you'd just ignore them. Sounds fair in this context, but replace country with guild and Picklericklandia with your guild and it all of a sudden sounds crazy? Doesn’t add up to me.

I won’t bore you with any more criticism, all I can say is the best way to get land is to grow your own guild, recruit a large warring team, level up, and make a name for yourself. Then, I’m sure one day, you’ll get what you desire. Or not...I’m just a captain, I don’t make the rules.

Good luck my friend!
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Yep, that's me. I don't know if my statement is valid or not, but as a leader of a small subguild to Wrath of Poseidon, you don't see me whining about my guild not being on the map.

I'm just saying, if you want your guild to level, you're not gonna make it happen by warring the alliances of Artemis and Valkyrie. Maybe attach your guild to a bigger guild in Valk and become a subguild until your guild is leveled and ready. But no good guild will give up a territory so a small, unrelated guild can level and wipe them out.

Now, I must go suffer in hell- I mean, school. Good day. o7

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### post #24 — Pontosaurus — Mar 9, 2020 at 8:30 AM

YYGAYMER said:

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do guild tryhards only talk in wall of texts?
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MegaCoquin said:

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Just ignore the larger guilds, do what you want.
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also yea this is true, however seeing as this person wants to grow his guild it probably isn't the best long-term strategy.

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### post #25 — Burnette — Mar 9, 2020 at 8:53 AM

Pretty offtopic but I feel like I should say something.

As a person who's come from bigger guilds to start a new one, it always is hard to get on the map and stay there. That being said, it's up to you if you want to keep up the effort. You don't always have to be on the map; please dear god, I'm begging you, do not overwork yourself and stay up for hours and hours warring. Wynn is supposed to be fun, and I hate it when I see people get burnt out and quit.

I'm in the guild oxo, and the war group is usually 2-3 of us warring (well tbh my war commander hard carries my guild lmao). Not many people are interested in warring, so our little group gets a small bit bored after a few hours. When you're in a dry rut, make a guild event to spend time with your members! Do LI, a scavenger hunt, or hell, I even schedule hide and seek events. Or play games outside minecraft together, like scribblio or cards against humanity. It's also a fantastic way to get to know your members and build a bond between you all.

That being said, to everyone still reading this, I wish you all good luck on your guilds, regardless of whether they're new, old, or you're planning on making a guild. ♡

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### post #26 — GoldSeb — Mar 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM

If you just camp FFA territories it’s really easy to gain a ton of xp. They’re all FFAs for a reason and it’s usually how guilds get a majority of their xp.

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### post #27 — FighterZ_ — Mar 9, 2020 at 9:05 AM

- War all day and all night

- Gather some no lifes to help

And you will be in the map soon

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### post #28 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 9:11 AM

Nitrogen2Oxygen said:

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*I told myself I wouldn’t, but here I go anyways*

Good luck my friend!
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**However, there are a lot of guilds like you, and I sadly watch them all end with the same fate, they end up disappearing.**
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*sigh* You've got the point of the thread, all of that wasn't useless, so ... thank you. Thank you for being respectful and not saying "this is all bullshit" but gining a real founded opinion. I'd be happy to found more players as you, that's why I admire Fox : good morale, self control and mentality.

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Haisay said:

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FFAs are wanted by everyone and not just Artemis guilds go for them and snipe them as soon as they get a chance. You're not forced to solo war, if there's no one else with you, you don't have to war and can wait until you get more people, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but most things you're saying here just represent a mind set of giving up pretty easily or at least that's my take.

"Oh hey Cath, our guild was big enough" it clearly wasn't if you didn't accomplish what you wanted to, no one's actively trying to discourage anyone here and if you are anyways that shouldn't be pinned on Artemis. I don't see a need to try and make a forum post to suggest knocking successful guilds down a peg through regulation because smaller guilds aren't achieving as much and furthermore I don't find it productive either.

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I'll leave off with one thing just because it's 6 am, I have yet to sleep and I'm a little bit angry, these types of "big alliance SUCK" threads are posted like once every few months and never change or accomplish anything and it's always just a smaller guild throwing out easily debunked arguments about how big guilds and alliances are immoral and they kill the game experience and they're the reason we can't grow blah blah blah. All of the time you spent writing an essay about why Artmis is problematic is time you could've spent working on your own guild to either gain the strength to prove you can provide help to artemis which artemis will then return to you in the form of terrs or do the same, but join another alliance that might take Artemis down who knows. There is and never will be anything productive through making these threads and they will never accomplish anything either.

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Good luck with growing your guild man, but I don't think this is the right way to do so even if this thread went exactly your way and changed everything.
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I said everything here :

VeeeKoooN said:

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I'm not saying that alliances are a bad thing, or needs to be countered.

I'm not saying either that we shall get out the big guilds who are in the map .
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Didn't said "big alliances sucks" or something like that, keep cool dude ...

Haisay said:

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it's always just a smaller guild throwing out easily debunked arguments about how big guilds and alliances are immoral and they kill the game experience and they're the reason we can't grow blah blah blah.
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Maybe because smaller guilds feeling it like this, it reinforces my opinion, dear player !

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Lysotize said:

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Not sure why you made a thread. Once your guild is significant enough its logical to join an alliance.

First of all, your argument that "SE is fully lvl 100 and my members are lower level" is just invalid. Grind to level 100. Stop complaining and play the game. You have to work for stuff and a successful guild doesn't come out of thin air

There's FFAS. You can literally capture The Gate, set guild xp to 100% and get a LOT of xp. Also bulb cave farming is a thing. Mind you both these territories are FFAS. Take Ignixtrom (Inx) for example, they were only created months ago and now hold territories as a guild that built themselves bottom up independently.

I think complaining about alliances claiming territories isnt really accomplishing anything. With time and effort, small guilds still flourish under the current alliance system as per my example above.

Every guild, including Imp and Fox that is high level and powerful also started as nothing. So current small guilds should do the same. Instead of being held under the mindset that you are helpless. Every single guild enemy or ally has worked hard on their progress.

I think you shouldn't dedicate your time complaining about a system that has been widely accepted for years because I'm sure that with effort you can make a guild work under the current system. You just need motivation and probably lots of caffeine lmao.
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Hey, not sure why I did this thread too, but hey, why not ? ;)

The thing is I'm Lvl 104 but I can't solo war beacause of reasons explained above.

I think complaining is getting anywhere too, but maybe that can make some people react and think about it ! "You just need motivation and probably lots of caffeine lmao." Cheers dude, I hope too but I don't think so, I will keep on trying to change the things there !

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MegaCoquin said:

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Just ignore the larger guilds, do what you want.
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Great advice, 10/10, I'll do 8) *insert thug meme here*

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MultiSmith said:

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Hey Caeruleum guildies, Thanks for the advice and your answer, but I can't promise I'll join a conventionnal alliance one day (especially after this thread LMAO) Cheers on Cdr !

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AlphaVaithex said:

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Yep, that's me. I don't know if my statement is valid or not, but as a leader of a small subguild to Wrath of Poseidon, you don't see me whining about my guild not being on the map.

Now, I must go suffer in hell- I mean, school. Good day. o7
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Hey Wrath of Poseidon members, thanks for the answer and GL with that -educative prison- school time :( You'll need it later !

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Burnette said:

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Pretty offtopic but I feel like I should say something.

That being said, to everyone still reading this, I wish you all good luck on your guilds, regardless of whether they're new, old, or you're planning on making a guild. ♡
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Oooooh touched me right in the feelings ! It's a nice post, thanks :3

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GoldSeb said:

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If you just camp FFA territories it’s really easy to gain a ton of xp. They’re all FFAs for a reason and it’s usually how guilds get a majority of their xp.
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Hey PUN, we'll do ! Thanks !

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FighterZ_ said:

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- War all day and all night

- Gather some no lifes to help

And you will be in the map soon
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Easy as two steps on a list. You get it dude :)

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### post #29 — xMini_ — Mar 9, 2020 at 9:24 AM

“Alliance rule the map.”

Hax who ruled the map alone:

*whistles quietly*

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### post #30 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 9:33 AM

xMini_ said:

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“Alliance rule the map.”

Hax who ruled the map alone:

*whistles quietly*
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Hey Hax ! You really are bad boys hehe

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### post #31 — Goden — Mar 9, 2020 at 9:41 AM

xMini_ said:

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“Alliance rule the map.”

Hax who ruled the map alone:

*whistles quietly*
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> subguilds were heavily abused

> there was no cd timer after you took a territory, you could instantly snipe it back

> alt warring was legal

> wars hardly worked at all so no one was motivated whatsoever

> didnt yall work with BLA and Lir for a lot of it

regardless of that though I think everything in this thread has been explained pretty well, I'll tldr it in that

1: Mariah made a good point, you don't have to be on the map to be successful as a guild, hell the entire opposition to Artemis is rather alive and isn't on the map most of the time, as well as a couple other guilds out there

2: FFAs are FFAs in that we specifically choose the territories best for growing guilds and for giving xp, yeah it can be annoying to have to fight for them so much but they're contested due to the potential for growth they provide, most other territories on the map (I'll use Llevigar as an example here cause I believe its what RAI had in Luna) give very very little xp in comparison to those ffas aside from a couple specific claimed ones by larger guilds

3: All big guilds got there through a lot of work and dedication, put in the same and I guarantee you'll get there as well. Good luck with your guild, last I talked with RAI y'all were extremely polite and it's very appreciated to see that in the guild scene, I hope to see it kept up in the future ^^

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### post #32 — fey — Mar 9, 2020 at 9:47 AM

Until there's some actual end game guild content this is how it will always be.

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### post #33 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:00 AM

Goden said:

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> subguilds were heavily abused

> there was no cd timer after you took a territory, you could instantly snipe it back

> alt warring was legal

> wars hardly worked at all so no one was motivated whatsoever

> didnt yall work with BLA and Lir for a lot of it

regardless of that though I think everything in this thread has been explained pretty well, I'll tldr it in that

Hey Goden :D

1. I take note, thnx !

2. Okay I keep it in mind, I think we'll use them a lot ...

3. True, there isn't many warrers; but they will come soon !

Thanks for the nice post, thanks for the advices, and I hope we'll keep on being nice like you are :D I hope too, have a nice day dude :)

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Irony said:

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Until there's some actual end game guild content this is how it will always be.
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Hey, yeah sadly :/

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### post #34 — Skylaar — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM

Ignore alliances(unless your guild is part of one), and just go attack FFAs. After all thats essentially what my guild does.

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### post #35 — Druser — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:09 AM

Be like Atlas Inc and just stubbornly attack a single territory.

Time Valley gang

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### post #36 — GoulartJJ — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:59 AM

Hello, as the Shadow Fall leader and one of Artemis leaders I'd like to say that small guilds can grow very easily, alliance or not, Shy ( Shadow Fall ) grew with FFA's, we were level 20ish by August of last year, we tried joining Luna when we were leveling but got denied, that didn't stop us, Shy kept FFAing and leveling. This is a very resumed version of what happened.

If you're not in a map controlling alliance, nothing stops you from attacking any territories in the map, some may reclaim it instantly, others would rather use a diplomatic approach, both are effective in some circumstances.

Guilds who are with big claims are the guilds who have contributed the most to the alliance. Guilds may also apply to Artemis by contacting one of the guild leaders, and possibly be accepted.

Well sorry for this "short text" and thanks for reading.

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Druser said:

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Be like Atlas Inc and just stubbornly attack a single territory.

Time Valley gang
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Bro, I swear I had to reclaim it so many times.

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### post #37 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:37 AM

Phantom Skylaar said:

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Ignore alliances(unless your guild is part of one), and just go attack FFAs. After all thats essentially what my guild does.
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Hey Phatom Heart, yeah we'll do :)

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Druser said:

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Be like Atlas Inc and just stubbornly attack a single territory.

Time Valley gang
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Hey Atlas guildies, not a bad idea. I shall try MeMeReKt

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GoulartJJ said:

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Guilds who are with big claims are the guilds who have been contributed the most to the alliance. Guilds may also apply to Artemis by contacting one of the guild leaders, and possibly be accepted.

Well sorry for this "short text" and thanks for reading.

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Bro, I swear I had to reclaim it so many times.
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Hey Shadow Fall, don't be sorry, good advices :) Have a nice day !

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### post #38 — xMini_ — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM

Goden said:

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> subguilds were heavily abused

> there was no cd timer after you took a territory, you could instantly snipe it back

> alt warring was legal

> wars hardly worked at all so no one was motivated whatsoever

> didnt yall work with BLA and Lir for a lot of it

^^
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Legit was just a joke XD. No need to seem so butthurt about it. Also if “Wars weren’t working at all,” then this at least shows Hax had the dedication to maintain the territories they had

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### post #39 — Castti — Mar 9, 2020 at 10:55 AM

My guild got to level 52 without alliances. We never attacked anything but FFAs until very recently. It only took 3 months too.

Anyhoo good luck with your guild and hope y'all get access to SE soon

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### post #40 — Goden — Mar 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM

Benjin said:

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This thread in a nutshell: Furries, hackers and incognito Fruman soldiers who totally aren't trying to invade Wynn all battle it out in a war of text walls, and the few pawn guilds probably make the most valid argument but idfk I didn't read these text walls. As *name some guy in the community* said "I don't know anything about guilds besides they mostly suck because they're mostly draining and boring." -Some guy who never was in a guild
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Thank you for your feedback and constructive criticism!

this is like the fifth time ive seen you post something completely unnecessary on a thread just for attention dog, comment and contribute something half relevant or dont comment at all, there's literally a forum rule about it

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