➤ The Artemis Alliance And Why It's Problematic To Me | Page 3 | Wynncraft Forums

### post #41 — Carrie — Mar 9, 2020 at 11:55 AM

As someone who used to be in a very small guild during the time of a very big alliance (Legio), what we did was attack anywhere at anytime and did not care at all about the larger alliance. It would have been nice to grow and be apart of it eventually, but since leveling was so buggy it unmotivated us. What motivated us was xp gain, and it's obvious the goal of us to "destroy Legio" was completely ridiculous. We just focused on ourselves and hoped that we would potentially be noticed. Now being the leader of PUN, I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. In Valk, in a large alliance. I always love giving smaller guilds a chance to grow if they show potential. That's why we invited you to Luna in the first place. You guys did wars, you helped out and even put Imp and PUNs territories before your own without being asked to do so. We've given smaller guilds chances to grow. There's no specific way to get noticed, or to grow, but attacking in general is cool, but free for all territories are GREAT for xp. To be honest since you are not bound to any alliance you can do whatever you want (unless you have truces) Just chill out, and take your time leveling up, and recruiting. Enjoy the experience. You don't have the pressure of having to keep up and be active as these larger guilds need to.

-just one of those "wall of text guild try hards" <3

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### post #42 — TrapinchO — Mar 9, 2020 at 12:52 PM

(Pls dont kill me)

What is FFA

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### post #43 — Tekenen — Mar 9, 2020 at 12:57 PM

TrapinchO said:

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(Pls dont kill me)

What is FFA
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FFA stands for Free for all

So those territories are not assigned to anyone and everyone can take them whenever they want

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### post #44 — TrapinchO — Mar 9, 2020 at 12:58 PM

Tekenen said:

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FFA stands for Free for all

So those territories are not assigned to anyone and everyone can take them whenever they want
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Thanks

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### post #45 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 1:17 PM

Bast said:

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My guild got to level 52 without alliances. We never attacked anything but FFAs until very recently. It only took 3 months too.

Anyhoo good luck with your guild and hope y'all get access to SE soon
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Hey Ignixtorm, oh really ? Neat :D Ty for support, have a nice day !

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Hmmm that meant all. If ydfk, respect people time and opinions and try to think twice before writing ... we don't need posts like that here, thanks.

Also same opinion as Goden;

Goden said:

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Thank you for your feedback and constructive criticism!
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Dies in Sharkasm ​

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Carrie said:

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As someone who used to be in a very small guild during the time of a very big alliance (Legio), what we did was attack anywhere at anytime and did not care at all about the larger alliance. It would have been nice to grow and be apart of it eventually, but since leveling was so buggy it unmotivated us. What motivated us was xp gain, and it's obvious the goal of us to "destroy Legio" was completely ridiculous. We just focused on ourselves and hoped that we would potentially be noticed. Now being the leader of PUN, I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. In Valk, in a large alliance. I always love giving smaller guilds a chance to grow if they show potential. That's why we invited you to Luna in the first place. You guys did wars, you helped out and even put Imp and PUNs territories before your own without being asked to do so. We've given smaller guilds chances to grow. There's no specific way to get noticed, or to grow, but attacking in general is cool, but free for all territories are GREAT for xp. To be honest since you are not bound to any alliance you can do whatever you want (unless you have truces) Just chill out, and take your time leveling up, and recruiting. Enjoy the experience. You don't have the pressure of having to keep up and be active as these larger guilds need to.

-just one of those "wall of text guild try hards" <3
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Thanks PUN for you honest and full of goodwillness :D Yeah we'll do ! And get back stronger than before !

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### post #46 — Kiocifer — Mar 9, 2020 at 1:59 PM

Smh the only real way to do guild wars is to religiously obsess over a specific part of the map.

Time valley gang rise up

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### post #47 — Asthae — Mar 9, 2020 at 2:05 PM

Kiocifer said:

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Smh the only real way to do guild wars is to religiously obsess over a specific part of the map.

Time valley gang rise up
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JFK be like:

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### post #48 — Castti — Mar 9, 2020 at 2:14 PM

Kiocifer said:

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Smh the only real way to do guild wars is to religiously obsess over a specific part of the map.

Time valley gang rise up
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Not even joking this isn't a bad way to do guilds

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### post #49 — Pally — Mar 9, 2020 at 2:14 PM

xMini_ said:

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“Alliance rule the map.”

Hax who ruled the map alone:

*whistles quietly*
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>Alliance rules the map *people riot*

>Hax owns map *people riot*

>Fuq owns entire map alone for months while wars were still heavily popular pre-gavel *Whistles quietly*

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### post #50 — Cloud Man — Mar 9, 2020 at 2:42 PM

AlphaVaithex said:

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Yep, that's me. I don't know if my statement is valid or not, but as a leader of a small subguild to Wrath of Poseidon, you don't see me whining about my guild not being on the map.

I'm just saying, if you want your guild to level, you're not gonna make it happen by warring the alliances of Artemis and Valkyrie. Maybe attach your guild to a bigger guild in Valk and become a subguild until your guild is leveled and ready. But no good guild will give up a territory so a small, unrelated guild can level and wipe them out.

Now, I must go suffer in hell- I mean, school. Good day. o7
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You weren’t supposed to see that

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### post #51 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 2:44 PM

Kiocifer said:

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Smh the only real way to do guild wars is to religiously obsess over a specific part of the map.

Time valley gang rise up
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Heyy Kio ! All I saw was your guild signature. Pretty weird, but ... original. I guess ?

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PaladinSorceress said:

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>Alliance rules the map *people riot*

>Hax owns map *people riot*

>Fuq owns entire map alone for months while wars were still heavily popular pre-gavel *Whistles quietly*
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>Hack https://map.wynncraft.com/ to make it display your guild everywhere

> Wait for the big guilds panic

>Hackers rules the map *people riot*

> Enjoy

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### post #52 — Robturne — Mar 9, 2020 at 3:33 PM

VeeeKoooN said:

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*sigh* You've got the point of the thread, all of that wasn't useless, so ... thank you. Thank you for being respectful and not saying "this is all bullshit" but gining a real founded opinion. I'd be happy to found more players as you, that's why I admire Fox : good morale, self control and mentality.

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I said everything here :

Didn't said "big alliances sucks" or something like that, keep cool dude ...

Maybe because smaller guilds feeling it like this, it reinforces my opinion, dear player !

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Hey, not sure why I did this thread too, but hey, why not ? ;)

The thing is I'm Lvl 104 but I can't solo war beacause of reasons explained above.

I think complaining is getting anywhere too, but maybe that can make some people react and think about it ! "You just need motivation and probably lots of caffeine lmao." Cheers dude, I hope too but I don't think so, I will keep on trying to change the things there !

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Great advice, 10/10, I'll do 8) *insert thug meme here*

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Hey Caeruleum guildies, Thanks for the advice and your answer, but I can't promise I'll join a conventionnal alliance one day (especially after this thread LMAO) Cheers on Cdr !

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Hey Wrath of Poseidon members, thanks for the answer and GL with that -educative prison- school time :( You'll need it later !

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Oooooh touched me right in the feelings ! It's a nice post, thanks :3

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Hey PUN, we'll do ! Thanks !

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Easy as two steps on a list. You get it dude :)
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I was exaggerating a bit, you seemed to not get my claims in the first place...

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BisexualDog said:

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Maybe it's because the guild community IS bad :thonk:
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Nothing wrong with having competition in the game, if the guild community wasnt a thing I wouldn't play the game because it's just not interesting outside of guilds, I dont think it's productive to come out and say "gUiLDs bAd" like everyone else in the Wynn community does, it's pretty stupid considering it's the only part of this boring game that people consider to be worth a damn and I still have yet to understand how the guild community is so bad. I dont attack the LI running community or whatever the hell other people do outside of wars lmao

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YYGAYMER said:

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do guild tryhards only talk in wall of texts?
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Unless there is a good reason, no.

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### post #53 — Robturne — Mar 9, 2020 at 4:49 PM

Lysotize said:

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Not sure why you made a thread. Once your guild is significant enough its logical to join an alliance.

First of all, your argument that "SE is fully lvl 100 and my members are lower level" is just invalid. Grind to level 100. Stop complaining and play the game. You have to work for stuff and a successful guild doesn't come out of thin air

There's FFAS. You can literally capture The Gate, set guild xp to 100% and get a LOT of xp. Also bulb cave farming is a thing. Mind you both these territories are FFAS. Take Ignixtrom (Inx) for example, they were only created months ago and now hold territories as a guild that built themselves bottom up independently.

I think complaining about alliances claiming territories isnt really accomplishing anything. With time and effort, small guilds still flourish under the current alliance system as per my example above.

Every guild, including Imp and Fox that is high level and powerful also started as nothing. So current small guilds should do the same. Instead of being held under the mindset that you are helpless. Every single guild enemy or ally has worked hard on their progress.

I think you shouldn't dedicate your time complaining about a system that has been widely accepted for years because I'm sure that with effort you can make a guild work under the current system. You just need motivation and probably lots of caffeine lmao.
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This couldn't be more accurate lmao

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### post #54 — VeeeKoooN — Mar 9, 2020 at 4:52 PM

Haisay said:

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I was exaggerating a bit
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... As you said,

(...) saying ''O most of my members haven't unlocked SE yet so we can't take those FFAs..'' is bullshit.
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Moreover,

I dont think it's productive to come out and say "gUiLDs bAd" like everyone else in the Wynn community does (...).
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I don't really want to throw oil on the fire, but refering to what you're saying, this thread is useless anyways. So you don't get the point out of it, that's all ...

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### post #55 — Robturne — Mar 9, 2020 at 7:15 PM

VeeeKoooN said:

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... As you said, Moreover,

I don't really want to throw oil on the fire, but refering to what you're saying, this thread is useless anyways. So you don't get the point out of it, that's all ...
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I got the point perfectly and I dont know why you're pretending I dont everything I commented on was exactly the stuff YOU wrote. My main issue is that when I get annoyed I tend to exaggerate and as I said before these threads never accomplish anything except the guild community just looking at this as someone asking for handouts and the anti guild community just gets more worked up over literally nothing as usual, but it's what appears to be a conflict and sheds light on the guild community so let's add absolutely useless and irrelevant responses to the thread and people who are in the guild community lmao. I dont think I respect any group of people less who think guilds are the great evil of Wynn or the people who think we're just a toxic community (I'm toxic, but our community isnt toxic as a whole lmao), small side rant about the people who commented on the thread and haven't the slightest inkling of what this community is.

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### post #56 — Asthae — Mar 9, 2020 at 4:58 PM

Haisay said:

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I got the point perfectly and I dont know why you're pretending I dont everything I commented on was exactly the stuff YOU wrote doggy
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VeeeKoooN said:

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... As you said, Moreover,

I don't really want to throw oil on the fire, but refering to what you're saying, this thread is useless anyways. So you don't get the point out of it, that's all ...
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Lets all be friends and have a big Vore Party!

OwO

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### post #57 — Robturne — Mar 9, 2020 at 4:59 PM

Asthæros said:

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Lets all be friends and have a big Vore Party!

OwO
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Absolutely

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### post #58 — Robturne — Mar 9, 2020 at 5:05 PM

I edited my post to a wall of text since ya know, I'm a guild tryhard and all :)

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### post #59 — Pikacal — Mar 9, 2020 at 5:07 PM

Asthæros said:

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Lets all be friends and have a big Vore Party!

OwO
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I agree with this on all levels

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### post #60 — Asthae — Mar 9, 2020 at 5:08 PM

No fr can we close this thread...?